“Mother Nature is a TERF” | Helen Joyce & Peter Boghossian
Jul 3, 2023
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Helen Joyce, an Irish journalist and director of advocacy at Sex Matters, joins Peter Boghossian to discuss the differences between men and women, the controversy surrounding transgender individuals in gendered spaces, and the challenges of speaking out on these issues. They also touch on belief formation, the impact of religion, and the difficulty of changing beliefs.
Transgender identity is seen as a cultural-bound syndrome influenced by society.
Recognizing the differences between men and women is crucial in certain contexts like sports and healthcare.
Woke ideology is stifling critical thinking and open dialogue on gender and transgender issues.
Deep dives
The cultural nature of transgender identity
Transgender identity is viewed as a cultural-bound syndrome rather than a naturally occurring phenomenon. The speaker argues that individuals who identify as transgender would not have developed that belief if they had grown up in a different society. They question the idea of a man truly being a woman and dismiss the concept of changing one's biological sex as a cultural construct.
Challenges to the mainstream narrative
The speaker challenges mainstream narratives surrounding transgender issues, suggesting that there are only two sexes and that certain situations, such as sports and healthcare, require recognizing the differences between men and women. They argue that identifying as the opposite sex has consequences within these contexts and assert that transgender inclusion can undermine women's rights.
Resistance to engaging in debate
The speaker highlights the reluctance of individuals who adhere to the mainstream narrative to engage in debates or discussion about these topics. They suggest that some people may avoid engaging due to fear of supporting transphobia or being associated with hateful speech. Additionally, the speaker believes that some individuals avoid engaging because they adhere to a postmodernist mindset that rejects debating as a means to discovering truth.
The Spread of Wokeness and Its Impact on the New Atheist Movement
The podcast episode discusses the impact of woke ideology on the new atheist movement. It highlights how many individuals who were once part of the skeptical and atheist community have become believers in woke ideology, prompting them to reconsider their previous views. The episode explores the notion that the skeptic movement has been influenced by this shift and raises questions about the need for woke ideology in society. It also delves into the dangers of groupthink and the importance of maintaining critical thinking and free speech in the face of dogmatic beliefs.
The Harmful Effects of Woke Ideology and the Need for Evidence-Based Thinking
The podcast episode emphasizes the harmful consequences of woke ideology, particularly regarding gender and transgender issues. It criticizes the disregard for evidence-based thinking and the dominance of moral beliefs over objective facts. The hosts discuss the implications of allowing transgender individuals to participate in sports designated for the opposite biological sex and the potential harm caused to other participants. They also highlight how the spread of woke ideology is creating a culture of self-censorship and stifling open dialogue. The episode underscores the importance of critical thinking, evidence-based reasoning, and the need to challenge false narratives.
Helen Joyce is causing a lot of trouble. YouTube recently removed her conversation with Jordan Peterson (due to vague accusations of “hate speech” and “inciting violence”) and the BBC doesn’t invite her on air anymore. Among her heresies, she is guilty of believing there are two sexes and saying it out loud.
Helen, an Irish journalist, bestselling author, and director of advocacy at Sex Matters, spoke to Peter Boghossian about the differences between men and women. In many arenas, the differences don’t matter, but they are a matter of consequence regarding women’s privacy, vulnerability, and physical competition.
Peter and Helen discuss the definition of sex, why trans men should be allowed in women’s spaces, the tragedy of the commons, fa’afafine, evolution, the “thought-terminating cliché,” the tribal fear of rejection, the cultivation of mental illness, why institutions are losing their North Stars, and much more.