

How will European leaders play the Trump game?
Feb 25, 2025
Terry Stiasny, an insightful political journalist, joins Charles Hecker, an expert on international business in Russia, and Benedetta Berti Alberti, NATO's policy planning head. They discuss how European leaders, like Macron and Starmer, will strategically engage with Trump over defense issues, particularly regarding Ukraine. The trio also explores Russia-China ties amid warming U.S.-Russia relations, and they address the shift from traditional journalism to social media influencers covering Brazil's Carnival, raising questions about media quality and cultural representation.
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Handling Trump
- Flatter Trump, as he responds well to it.
- Also, be firm, as Macron demonstrated by correcting Trump publicly.
Learning from Macron
- Macron's public firmness with Trump offers a lesson for Starmer.
- Starmer might struggle more due to his more awkward and stilted demeanor.
Macron's Concession
- Macron conceded that Trump and Putin's re-engagement is positive.
- However, he stressed the need for Europe's involvement going forward.