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In this episode of Product Mastery Now, I’m interviewing Leah and Philip Abraham, a creative duo with expertise in songwriting, acting, music production, and filmmaking. Their diverse background offers valuable lessons for product managers looking to improve their innovative thinking techniques. Throughout our conversation, we explore insights from their creative process that can be applied to product innovation and management.
This episode explores insights from creative professionals that can be applied to enhance innovation in product management, offering practical strategies for product managers to foster creativity, leverage rapid feedback cycles, and overcome challenges in the innovation process.
We start by addressing common misconceptions about innovation, particularly the belief that creativity is an innate talent rather than a skill that can be developed. This idea is especially important for product managers and leaders responsible for driving innovation within their organizations. Leah and Philip share their experiences, showing that innovation is indeed a process that can be learned and improved over time.
Leah and Phillip have experience in acting and film production and are now most famous for cinematic shorts on social media. They explain that they enjoy creative collaboration in many areas, including filmmaking, photography, music, and art.
Leah and Phillip share that their creativity is complementary and they bring out creativity in each other. Phillip has a technical background while Leah focuses on character arcs.
When making a skit, Leah and Phillip often start with a sketch of the story and improv to fill in the details. They’re often inspired to make a skit based off something that happens in their lives. For example, a recent video called “When they cancel plans but you’re both introverts,” was inspired by Leah and Phillip’s introvertedness.
Leah and Phillips use a “no bad ideas” approach, which creates a safe space for sharing and building upon concepts. They give each other permission to throw out ideas without shame and then make those ideas better together.
Compared to producing a whole film, creating short-form content on social media provides more opportunity to receive rapid feedback and iterate. Analytics let Leah and Phillip see what aspects of their content viewers are engaging with most. Sometimes the parts of their content they almost didn’t include end up being the most popular with their audience.
Leah and Phillip share that feedback from viewers has been affirming and eye-opening, and the most fulfilling part of their creative process is figuring out what viewers like about their content and building an intuition for creating engaging content.
Leah and Phillip explain that they’re learning about to balance intuition with data-driven decision making. I think of intuition as my experience taking shape that my brain hasn’t recognized yet. Leah describes intuition as your body knowing something before your mind can articulate it. She had an intuition that she and Phillip should start doing social media and that it made sense for their hodgepodge of creative skills. They observed that most viral TikTok videos were not high-quality narrative skits and decided to use their skills to fill that gap.
This episode offers valuable perspectives on fostering creativity and innovation in product management. By embracing collaborative approaches, rapid prototyping, and a willingness to learn from failures, product teams can enhance their innovation capabilities and create more successful and impactful products.
Key takeaways for product managers:
“If opportunity doesn’t knock, build a door.” – unknown
“Success is stumbling from failure to failure without any loss of enthusiasm.” – Winston Churchill
Leah and Phillip Abraham are an up-and-coming social media couple known for their highly cinematic viral skits, which have gained over 85 million views since their launch in February of 2024. Having both spent over a decade hustling in Hollywood, and acting on shows like Aquarius, CSI, Ballers, and Good Trouble, they found a ceiling placed on their potential as creatives, ultimately moving to Nashville and starting their production company, Philea Media. Together they wrote, produced, and acted in a feature-length musical that is loosely based on how they met, which is scheduled to premiere at film festivals in 2025.
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