What if the key to ending burnout culture is in the stories of those who’ve lived it and come out the other side?

In this powerful episode of the Revolutionaries of Wellbeing podcast, three prominent New Zealand leaders open up about their personal journeys through crisis and recovery.

In this episode, we're joined by:

• Joanna Sinclair, Chief Wellbeing Officer (then National Clinical Lead for Employee Wellbeing) at Te Whatu Ora Health NZ and Consultant Anaesthetist, 
• Rob Beard, Owner of Beard Brothers Smallgoods, and
• Matthew Tukaki, Chair of the National Māori Authority

This is a real and honest conversation about the toll of burnout, mental health struggles, and physical challenges on leadership. Our guests share their personal experiences, what helped them recover, and why self-care matters - especially for leaders. We’ll also talk about practical ways to support employees through tough times.

We also touch on suicide in this episode, so if anything feels heavy, please reach out to your trusted people or call a local support helpline. As our guests say, these conversations matter.

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Get more: For episode chapters, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast

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