Ep. 305: Why I'm Not a Libertarian, with C.Jay Engel
Mar 19, 2024
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C.Jay Engel, host of the Chronicles Magazine Podcast and a traditionalist reformed Catholic, shares his fascinating journey away from libertarianism. He discusses the evolving perspectives on political ideologies, emphasizing the importance of community over individualism. Engel critiques Austrian economics and explores the historical influences on rights discourse. The conversation also highlights the intricate relationship between individual rights and societal responsibilities, questioning modern elite influences on cultural heritage.
C.Jay Engel reflects on his political evolution away from libertarianism, acknowledging practical challenges and ideological purity within the movement.
Engel underscores the importance of community and tradition, advocating for a political discourse that values social structures over individualism.
Despite distancing from libertarianism, Engel appreciates Austrian economics for its critique of interventionism and understanding of organic economic interactions.
Deep dives
The Journey from Libertarianism
CJ Engel discusses his transition away from libertarianism, noting that while he appreciates some aspects of the ideology, he began to see difficulties in its practical application. He highlights personal struggles and observations that made him question the effectiveness of a purely libertarian perspective. Engel points to his discomfort with libertarian communities that prioritize ideological purity over social cohesion. Through essays by thinkers like Richard Weaver, Engel recognized the importance of being part of a community rather than solely focusing on abstract ideological principles.
Libertarianism's Ethical Foundation
Engel outlines his belief that libertarianism is largely built on a deontological ethical foundation, emphasizing rights grounded in moral principles. He contrasts this with utilitarianism, which seeks the greatest good for the greatest number, arguing that libertarianism's focus on individual rights provides a more just and ethical society. Engel explains that this ethical orientation is deeply tied to the Anglo-American heritage of thought. However, he increasingly recognized that the pursuit of individual rights could undermine the stability and moral fabric of society if taken to an extreme.
The Influence of Austrian Economics
Despite distancing himself from libertarianism, Engel expresses continued appreciation for Austrian economics, particularly its critique of interventionist policies. He believes that Austrian economics effectively counters the hubris of experts who engage in top-down management of society. Engel argues that it shines a light on the organic nature of economics, which is rooted in everyday human interactions rather than abstraction. He considers these insights invaluable in understanding the consequences of government intervention and the importance of a free market.
Paleoconservatism and Community
Engel identifies paleoconservatism as a source of wisdom that emphasizes community and tradition over individualism. He references historical figures and movements that stress the importance of social structures in maintaining stability and fostering meaningful connections among individuals. Engel highlights the value of community in nurturing cultural continuity, suggesting that a return to these roots is crucial in combating modern ideologies. He views the synthesis of paleoconservative thought with his own experiences as a guide to a more meaningful political discourse.
The Current Political Landscape
Engel articulates a belief that the current regime is characterized by weakness and desperation, largely due to its failure to unify society under a coherent vision. He sees politicians as disconnected from the American people's needs and believes that this creates openings for counter-elites to emerge. According to Engel, figures like Elon Musk represent a potential shift away from the traditional regime, although he expresses skepticism about their ability to uphold the values he cherishes. Engel emphasizes the need for a focus on continuity and heritage in any political movement that aims to navigate the complexities of contemporary society.
My guest this week has been in and around conservative and libertarian circles for many years. C.Jay Engel used to identify as a libertarian, and in this episode, he discusses his political journey and transformation. Why would this matter? Well, because it's a similar transformation to not only my own but also many of my listeners. This show is absolutely not an excuse to feel pride about ourselves nor malice toward any folks who still consider themselves libertarian. It is, however, to give an honest and intelligent dialogue on politics, power, democracy, rights, Christianity, economics, and more. Check out C.Jay and the Chronicles Magazine Podcast here: Read C.Jay's Substack here: Visit my website: Donate to the show here: Audio Production by Podsworth Media: Leave us a review and rating on iTunes! Thanks!
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