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Catherine Gray is an award-winning writer and editor. Her most recent book is called, The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober. What a brilliant title and what a brilliant book. In it - and in this interview - Catherine offers so many good ideas, phrases, and pearls of wisdom to take away and keep close by. She shares a bit about her journey to and through sobriety with Eric and the critical "ah ha" moments along the way that really helped her build the life she's living today. If you don't have a revelatory moment when listening to her in this interview, we'll be surprised.

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In This Interview, Catherine Gray and I Discuss...

• The Wolf Parable
• Her book, The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober
• The challenge of training our brains to look for the good stuff in life
• The question: Would my life be better sober? instead of Am I an alcoholic?
• Rock bottom being a different place for different people at different times
• The challenge of moderation
• The beautiful clarity of zero
• The limbic system in distress with indecision
• Controlling vs Enjoying drinking
• Alchohol being like a cheat code in a video game when it comes to inhibition
• That no one regrets being sober
• The awful feelings at the beginning of getting sober are what you feel like because of the drinking, not the getting sober
• Learning the skills to enjoy life sober
• Addictive voice recognition
• Negative Thought Patterns:
• B&B 
• Children in a car
• Bird watching
• That there are many different ways to get sober
• How expectations are resentments under construction
• Day counting in being sober
• I don't vs I can't

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