Guest Ian Coss, journalist, audio producer, and composer, discusses the interesting topics of bureaucracy, the ambitious Big Dig project, interviewing for a historical narrative, the use of different podcast openings, the complexities of big infrastructure projects, creating an independent limited series podcast, and reflecting on the challenges and rewards of the Big Dig.
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The podcast explores the challenges and complexities of The Big Dig, a large-scale infrastructure project with a troubled history, serving as a cautionary tale for future projects.
Ian Coss approaches his podcast projects, including The Big Dig and Forever is a Long Time, by focusing on the emotional and personal dimensions, as well as the procedural aspects, creating meaningful narratives.
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The Big Dig: An Ambitious but Troubled Infrastructure Project
The podcast episode explores the history and challenges of The Big Dig, one of America's most expensive infrastructure projects. The project aimed to replace an aging elevated highway in Boston by putting it underground. However, it became notorious for its delays, cost overruns, and problems. The episode delves into the complex legacy of The Big Dig, discussing the vision behind it and the difficulties faced during its nearly 40-year lifespan. Despite the controversies, the project ultimately had a lasting impact on the city and serves as a cautionary tale for future large-scale infrastructure projects.
Navigating Personal and Public Stories: Forever is a Long Time
In another podcast series, titled Forever is a Long Time, Ian Kos shares personal stories of divorce within his own family. The five episodes each focus on a different divorce and explore the complexities of marriage and commitment. The show delves into the emotional journey of the individuals involved, with Ian and his wife providing their own reflections on marriage and divorce. Despite the personal nature of the stories, Ian chose to share them with the world to highlight the meaningful narratives around marriage within his family.
Balancing Process and Human Messiness
Ian Kos discusses how the podcasts The Big Dig and Forever is a Long Time approached the balance between process and human emotion. The Big Dig took a surprising approach by focusing on the emotional side of the project, highlighting the intense feelings experienced by those who worked on it and were affected by it. Forever is a Long Time, in contrast, explored the actual events and processes that unfolded during divorces within Ian's family. Both shows navigated the challenge of presenting procedural aspects while delving into the personal and emotional dimensions.
Embracing Complexity and Compassion
Ian Kos expresses a protective attachment to The Big Dig despite its negative reputation as a costly and troubled project. Through extensive research and interviews with those involved, Ian gained a complex understanding of the project and a desire for it to be viewed with compassion. He acknowledges the difficulties and flaws, but aims to disrupt the simplistic narratives surrounding The Big Dig. The soft spot he developed for the project reflects a nuanced appreciation for the intricate and interconnected nature of large-scale infrastructure projects.
“One thing that I really carried with me in making the show is a belief that bureaucracy is interesting. And that once you get through the jargon and wonky sounding stuff … beyond that it’s all just human drama.”