Inside the Playbook: Shawn Desman and Managers on The Human Side of Music Management

What does it really take to build authentic relationships in music?

In this conversation, Shawn Desman, Steve Zsirai, and Chad Walsh share why keeping a small, trusted circle is essential, how empathy and honesty drive lasting partnerships, and why boundaries matter in an industry that often blurs the personal with the professional.

Shawn also reflects on how personal struggles, including overcoming addiction, shaped his perspective and strengthened his ability to connect with people. Together, the group unpacks the balance between strategy and genuine connection, and why protecting your energy is just as important as protecting your career.

A conversation like this doesn't come cheap.

Listen to the full episode here -

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https://open.spotify.com/episode/1uwdpt8Z2i0PmUt70hhc76?si=ekjULlriRweFoLFGxe57Eg

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