This week, we muse on cross-body phone holders—time will tell if the trend wins us over—and talk Thingies with Rumaan Alam, author of Leave the World Behind, That Kind of Mother, and Rich and Pretty…books that are Thingies in their own right.  

His Thingies: The Fitbod app, audiobooks of dad books via Libro.fm, uniform dressing, Cate Le Bon, and some real page-turners including Mouth to Mouth by Antoine Wilson, Luster by Raven Leilani, Last Resort by Andrew Lipstein, and Mrs. Palfrey at the Claremont by Elizabeth Taylor. 

Share your Thingies guest noms! 833-632-5463, podcast@athingortwohq.com, or @athingortwohq.

A dose of our recs coming to your inbox weekly with a Secret Menu membership.

Try Nutrafol for thicker, healthier hair. Your first month’s subscription is $15 off with the code ATHINGORTWO.

Give professional counseling a shot with BetterHelp—10% off your first month with our link.

Slip into Honeylove, bras and underwear you can feel great about. 20% off your second item and 10% off your whole order with the code ATHINGORTWO.

Download Best Fiends—for free—on the App Store or Google Play.

YAY.

Produced by Dear Media