Shawn Ryan Show
#195 Marat Gabidullin - Wagner Group Commander / Russian Mercenary
Apr 28, 2025
Marat Gabidullin, a former commander in the Wagner Group and author critical of its actions, shares shocking insights from his time fighting in Syria, including the Battle of Khasham. He recounts his rise in the ranks, disillusionment, and the chaotic realities of warfare alongside U.S. forces. Joining him is John Lechner, a journalist specializing in Russian PMCs, who discusses the Wagner Group's genesis and its controversial recruitment strategies. Together, they shed light on the complicated dynamics of modern conflict and the moral complexities surrounding private military operations.
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- Marat Gabidullin shared his personal journey from his military service to the disillusionment with Wagner Group after witnessing its operations in Syria and Ukraine.
- The recruitment strategies of the Wagner Group evolved from targeting former military personnel to also including inmates, offering them a chance at freedom in exchange for combat.
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Origins of Wagner Group
Wagner Group emerged around 2014, drawing its name from Dmitry Utkin's call sign linked to the composer Richard Wagner. Initially forming in response to the conflict in eastern Ukraine, it was supported by Yevgeny Prigozhin, who provided the necessary political backing and funding. This shadowy organization operates under the guise of private military contractors but is often seen as an extension of the Russian military's interests, especially in conflicts like Syria. The need for such groups arose from a desire for plausible deniability while engaging in foreign conflicts, enabling the Kremlin to evade direct responsibility.
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