Welcome to More Equity. Today, we’re bringing you part 5 of our female founders series—a collection of honest conversations with trailblazing female founders who are thinking big picture about the state of women in startups and tech. In this series, we’ll go deep on what it looks like to scale a business from the ground up, navigate a fundraising process, and overcome curveballs—all while defining success on your own terms. Expect vulnerable and thought-provoking conversation on constantly evolving issues such as the lack of women in executive roles, the double standards applied to female founders, and the impact of venture capital on company growth and startup ecosystems at large.

Today, we’re speaking with badass Harlem Capital portfolio founders Marah and Naomi, the co-founders of Shine—a self-care app to help you through these uncertain times. We spoke with Marah and Naomi about how they bridged the distance between being “work friends” and real friends, why it’s so important for them to stay in touch with their community, and, to them, what truly equitable access to mental healthcare looks like.