Arlene Heyman reads an excerpt from her short story collection Scary Old Sex. Then Max talks with Dr. Joycelyn Elders about her time as Surgeon General under Bill Clinton, what happened after she was forced to resign, why she will forever be known as “the condom queen,” and why older and younger generations should know how to have good, safe sex.

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To read more about Arlene Heyman’s work, check out Scary Old Sex in the New Yorker and The New York Times and her debut novel, Artifact.

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"I Did It Right the First Time" with Dr. Joycelyn Elders