Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

The Darkest Corners of the Internet with Elle Reeve

Mar 4, 2025

Elle Reeve, a CNN correspondent and author of "Black Pill," dives into the alarming rise of internet trolls influencing U.S. politics. She reveals how online extremism, particularly from groups like incels and the alt-right, has shifted from the shadows to the mainstream. Elle dissects toxic ideologies shaping young men's perceptions of masculinity and the real-world consequences of online hate. The conversation also touches on the role of influential figures in amplifying these disturbing beliefs and the emotional struggles faced by those within these extremist communities.

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Online trolls have infiltrated American politics, shifting from dark corners of the internet to influencing governmental policies and cultural norms.

The rise of incel culture showcases a toxic ideology blaming feminism for men's romantic failures, fostering hostility towards women and redefining masculinity.

Right-wing movements now prioritize image and bravado over substantive policies, reflecting a shift in political engagement that normalizes outrageous behavior in mainstream dialogue.

Deep dives

The Rise of Troll Culture in Politics

The podcast discusses how the tactics and ideas of online trolls have infiltrated mainstream American culture, significantly influencing political discourse. It mentions that many prominent figures who were once considered as merely internet trolls are now embedded in governmental positions and shaping policies. An example highlighted is Andrew Tate, whose actions are connected to the Trump administration's influence, indicating a blurred line between trolling and a serious political agenda. This trend illustrates a troubling intersection where the outrageous behavior of internet figures translates into real-life political actions and cultural values.

Intro

4min

Trolling and the Transformation of Political Discourse

9min

The Unraveling of Misogyny in Online Hate Groups

2min

Exploring Internet Extremism and Misogyny

3min

Exploring the Far-Right Ideological Landscape

18min

Navigating Online Influences and Hostility

3min

The Dark Side of Online Communities

18min

Trolls have basically taken possession of the U.S. government. How have trolls been able to go from being mostly cordoned off in dark parts of the internet to gaining so much influence in American culture and politics? Our guest this week has spent years researching and reporting on-the-ground to learn more about how the battle online between the right and the left has moved into the real world. Elle Reeve is a correspondent at CNN and the author of “Black Pill: How I Witnessed the Darkest Corners of the Internet Come to Life, Poison Society, and Capture American Politics.” She joins WITHpod to discuss the politics of “black pilled” and “red pilled” young men, the ways in which online extremism so often translates into political violence and more.

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