

Trump and Ukraine talks: What comes next? – This Is Not a Drill crossover edition
9 snips Aug 20, 2025
Keir Giles, a Russia expert at Chatham House and author, joins Oz Katerji to dissect the recent diplomatic whirlwind involving Trump, Putin, and Zelenskyy. They delve into the chaotic nature of international negotiations and the confusing agreements emerging from these talks. The conversation highlights Ukraine's strategic $90 billion arms deal, the sidelining of a U.S. Special Envoy, and the deep-rooted distrust fueling the ongoing conflict. Giles underscores the need for robust diplomacy amidst the challenges faced by both Ukraine and the West.
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Agreements Are Largely Unverified
- We lack concrete detail on what was actually agreed in Alaska or Washington despite confident media reporting.
- Keir Giles warns the readouts from US and Russian sides often diverge and only unravel days later.
Witkoff's Misread Of Russian Proposals
- Oz Katerji describes Steve Witkoff misinterpreting Russian offers after visiting Moscow.
- Witkoff reportedly confused a Russian proposal, illustrating his unreliability as an intermediary.
Amateur Envoys Aid Russian Messaging
- The administration's envoys have been amateurish and chaotic, hindering coherent diplomacy.
- Giles says Russia benefits when Washington sends inexperienced messengers like Steve Witkoff.