The Importance of Energy and the Role of Journalism in Accountability

Al Franken resigned from the Senate more than 18 months ago over allegations of sexual harassment. New reporting about those allegations has revived the debate over whether the Democratic Party — particularly senators currently seeking the presidency — moved too fast in calling for him to step down. In an interview, one of those senators, Kirsten Gillibrand, says absolutely not.

Guest: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a New York Democrat and 2020 presidential candidate. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

Background reading:

• Ms. Gillibrand’s stance on Mr. Franken’s departure has come up persistently during her struggling presidential campaign.
• Our colleague Lisa Lerer interviewed Ms. Gillibrand for the On Politics newsletter.

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