i felt indebted to apple for surgery that was life saving and life changing, right? They got me to work harder. And i don't think that this was like, a conscious choice to be exploittive on the part of my boss,. But it's pervasive and culture. It's one of the things were when we talk about building good culture inside of companies. Again, it's not about what you state your culture is. It's about what's actually lived out.

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