I really appreciate that seriously. Every bit of it, what you just said. But I have to say something honest in response to it and I'll play it as a game for our guests. And then we'll take this conversation home with there's going to be a visual treat for viewers. For those of you following on audio only, Mike has the head of a unicorn in his office. He's a beautiful office with a lot of books scattered about and books that he's been abusing. Obviously, they look like they've had a long day at the office and a number of ties but there's there's my unicorn.
Economist and author Michael Munger of Duke University talks about human wants and desires with EconTalk host Russ Roberts. Human beings have desires about our desires. Can we change what we want? And how should economists and normal human beings think about doing the right thing, what we often call morality? Is acting morally self-interested behavior or is it possible to act selflessly?