Are We Having the Wrong Debate?

Lubitzao: I'm wondering whether, if we are talking here mostly geo politics. Ah, we need not talk about nato. Remember that for all f the central and eastern countries, they er join nato,. athing all of them, i believe, before they joined the tepin union. So if we think that joind by joining the u, this is going to take care of the security needs of of ukran, and the security needs is real, i'm not under mating, obviously. At this stage. Let's es engage without fil tess. Let's ask lubidsa, i mean, are we having the wrong debate? Or