The Tumultuous Fallout Between Two Titans

This week, Kevin and Casey discuss the sudden breakdown between President Trump and Elon Musk, whose disagreements over the policy bill before Congress quickly erupted into an all-out feud. Then, an ex-DOGE coder explains what it was really like to work inside the Trump administration’s cost-cutting arm. And finally, the former New York Times restaurant critic Pete Wells explains why some chefs are turning to A.I. for inspiration.

Guests:

• Sahil Lavingia, C.E.O. of Gumroad, who spent 55 days working for DOGE
• Pete Wells, New York Times restaurant critic from 2012 through 2024

Additional Reading:

• If Elon Musk and President Trump Divorce, Who Gets Silicon Valley?
• This Year’s Hot New Tool for Chefs? ChatGPT.

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