I think we're living in the real world. And there is a reasonable comeback, which I've heard unofficially, is that the US is not intrinsically opposed to a treaty. It just doesn't believe that other countries, particularly China, would abide by a treaty. By even talking about a treaty, you're inviting the possibility of some kind of strategic surprise that will be to the detriment of the US. So I'm much more optimistic that we can have discussions about how to verify a treaty and what kinds of measures we would put in place.

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