Navigating the Complexities of the Liberal International Order

Richard Fontaine, CEO of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) and co-author of No Limits? The China-Russia Relationship and U.S. Foreign Policy, joins the show to discuss Beijing-Moscow cooperation and the prospects of the U.S. driving a wedge between them.

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    •      02:05 Introduction

    •      02:21 Sino-Soviet split 

    •     06:20 Spheres of influence 

    •      09:17 Domination  

    •     13:20 Stabilizing effect   

    •      22:15 Xi & Putin 

    •      28:19 Pacific expansion    

    •      35:20 More resources  

    •      41:06 America in, Russians out, Germans down

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