Sally Kohn: It's funny to see kind of where that movement is going now, right? And as you said, leaning into the medical system. But then it's being adopted kind of by the sick care model, right? There's an empowering piece there. So maybe by the mapping you're describing, we can each get better at knowing the terrain and finding our way there. The mountain oak people has almost a Montessori approach to how you have access.

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