The first few months we spent with a dust pen and paper. I think it took us four to five months before writing te first line of code. So twas purely ecestion inisially and mat what like, the work you were doing at i b m, did that lead to this as well? Or was this kind of a new problem? No, no, not necessarily. What happened was was, essentially, i've been in the space since two thousand 14.

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