Are You Optimist?

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The long history of civilization has been to find that balance between order and chaos. And we've been getting better at that, but there's a problem with incremental progress over time. It lacks the heroic element needed for a compelling political narrative or spiritual narrative. Who's more romantic than an antifa front in militant or a seven 11 clerk? We're like that; material comfort is not going to satisfy us.

Join Michael Shermer and Jordan Peterson (bestselling author of 12 Rules for Life) for this extraordinary conversation based on Peterson’s new book Beyond Order. After working for decades as a clinical psychologist and a professor at Harvard and the University of Toronto, Peterson has become one of the world’s most influential public intellectuals. His YouTube videos and podcasts have gathered a worldwide audience of hundreds of millions, and his global book tour reached more than 250,000 people in major cities across the globe. What is it that gives Peterson’s message such mass appeal?