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Backing Ukraine Against Russia, With Colin Kahl and Derek Chollet
War on the Rocks
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Colin Call, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy: Ukraine is in a much better position than many anticipated. Derek Chalet, counselor to the Secretary of State: By any metric Russia's already lost. The sovereign and independent democratic Ukraine endures. And I think we need to do more to give them a good hand when it comes to an end game.
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