Debt touches every facet of people's life. Even if it's not personally affected them, everybody's at least one or two degrees removed from this problem. I think on the liberal side, there is also a psychic investment in debt. And especially in regards to higher education and it touches on their illusions of meritocracy. So when you are forced because of the way the economy is structured to finance the necessities of life, there should be no shame in that.

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