"There is a sense of completely serial reality around us, only this is a second wall war movi set, except it's actually really happening," says Zanne. "What really struck me is how zelenski was not performing... He said to do his spill, you know, to be commander, to be war leader, to be churchill." 'To this people in this country at the moment, this is the story. This is the life they're having,' she adds.
Our editors traverse layers of security to reach the situation room where Ukraine’s president is so often seen addressing the world. They ask about his decision to stay in Kyiv, which countries are proving most helpful and whether he always had all those green clothes. They find a man who speaks of determination and honesty, and whose sense of humour remains remarkably undimmed.
Find an edited transcript of the interview here.
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