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45: Ryan Holiday | Solving for What You Really Want from Life
The Jordan Harbinger Show
How to Get in the Arena
"I think a lot of people don't really plan for this because it seems like second place or third place, right? They go, all right, I want to be a radio talk show host," he says. "You start off as some sort of producer intern who doesn't get paid." But after a set of years that show that you're working on may have you on for two minutes a week and then maybe they give you a shot at the mic. 'This is them getting in the arena'
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