The Importance of Hope in a Shutdown

Jon Huntsman: I think we could have a shutdown. He says there's no way Kevin McCarthy can be a plausible negotiator about getting even symbolic concessions, which is all he needs to say that he used his power and Republicans stood their ground.Huntsman: Democrats can now attack you for playing games on the debt ceiling without having gotten anything for it. "I just think our lucky star is that we have such a legislative mastermind as Kevin McCarthy in charge of all this"