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know, one t this is really great. I think one thing t that both your story and mine, ed, is about the way in which, if you're running a really small shop, it forces you to learn all the skills. So, you know, i really did spend a lot of time actually sautering and vacuum sealing and doing electronics. And then when i came to be doing something slightly bigger, i could supervise those skills because i knew just enough about them. So i'm not a sophor engineer, but i've ridden lots of cold and that gives me some idea, you know, how i can coordinate people doing it now. And and i feel like that's something you get when you're in in a really tiny, little shop that has to do everything that you probably don't, in general, get if you're playing in a really big company where you're more focus on the narrow skill you relly good at. That's

what i'd find as people. Sometimes the ends up getting pigeon holed into one role in a big company. And i saw that when i did my grad studies, as opposed to being in a smaller place where you do everything, including fixing the photo copy. And frankly, when i'd hired, i'd look for those people coming in with the more general skill sets, because i knew then i could deploy them in a whole bunch of different situations, instead of just you're good at this, you're good at analysis, or you're just good at writing, but i can't send you in to a team of engineers and have you facilitate a good workshop. So

i hired captain hidel, who's now that the top engineers at carbon egineering, because we were building a big, complicate thing that had some risk, like no managing saws. Somebody could have been hurt, and i just had a team of two o treeople doing it. And i hired him because he had worked on a farm and worked with tools a lot. And so i judged correctly that he had good kind of common sense with his tools, one as unlikely to hurt himself. And he was snapastic. That's

an interesting one. Da, but i was thinking about this idea, like, how you can differentiate yourself by having a skill that might not be as a typical coming from a certain background, and maybe that sort of an example of it. Ao, may be ft stretching the analogy, but, you know, thinking about communication, right? I think, a, you and i, david, come from the scientific area, where, i think fairly, people often say that that scientists aren't always good communicatorsa, and good at speaking to the public. I know, can you believe it? I no, we wouldn't ever say that. I i've heard such things. I mean, i don't know. I'm married to another scientist, and i think we talk to each other just fine. But a, that, but yet. So how do you find ways? And i think that communication piece is soaky, whether it's communicating to the public or within an organization, to be successful. And i think for my part, it was really looking for ways to learn those scales very directly, right? Like, with a lot of feedback. And, and there were different, you know, indifferent jobs that looked different, but, but really the biggest one for me was actually communicating, trying that, and then getting people telling me, you know, really directly, no, old's barrd. You know, hear's what you're doing wrong, and hear's how to fix it. And so being really open to that and and approaching it really wanting to learn, i think, for me, that is what

helped to improve my own communication skills. I will say about scientists and communicating, the great david schinler, who might have been the finest aquatic scientist who ever worked in this country, once told me, i worked in a department of 55 professors, and i would trust two of them to go out and publicly communicate thei research findings. And i'm one of them. And you was threagtind yo was a brilliant communicator. I know for me. And you don't never discount the skills that you pick up outside your profession and how that can apply. I, 20 years ago, part of an improve group called the flukes of nature. One of our members is now the mayor of canmore. That has served me so well in life. And i'd have friends look at me with a mixture of sympathy and concern when we'd be doing these funky outdoor improve shows for an audience of 12 and a half. But the skills that i picked up communicating allowed me to get in front of a group, or my organization, or whatever it was, and that you fake it until you make it. And you don't always need that script o. Get those skills from outside a where i cand apply them. I

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