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The 20 sixth episode of cartoo avitars. Antonio garcio martines, who wrote a book called chaos monkeys about his time at facebook and joined apple to help them build their ads product. He was subsequently fired after about 30 days on the job because of some of the stuff that he wrote in chaos monkeys five years earlier. And then also, he's a, he's building a web three start up as well. So kind of a sprawling conversation in which we touched on a bunch of different stuff. Itit at times, it was very friendly,. And then got a little a heatid for a second in there, but ended nicely enough. i think people are going

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