Orson was in a band called Ute Club, which is kind of like youth club. We recorded a demo in a professional studio in Liverpool. And we went around London, giving out our demo tape to all the record companies. But after we decided to just leave Liverpool, that was the end of the band. Orson trained to be a teacher and then he went off to Japan. He also played at the same time in another band called the Jake Bullet Band again with Jake. So this is not me playing, but this is an idea of what it was like.