Using Power to Force Legal Change

Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they explore the evolving landscape of free speech in the US and UK, comparing the approaches of the Trump and Biden administrations. From high-profile censorship cases to the hidden influence of government on tech platforms, this episode unpacks the facts, controversies, and personal stories behind the headlines. Whether you’re interested in media, politics, or civil liberties, this conversation offers a thought-provoking look at the state of free expression today.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. Today we are going to be talking about news, which is largely being covered up by mainstream nor organizations that just two weeks ago were freaking out that Trump threatened to pull Jimmy Kimmel from the air or threatened to put pressure to pull Jimmy Kimmel from the air for lying, lying.

I, I should point out, not not like a character attack that he did on somebody or disagreeing with Trump’s politics but lying. About a, a, an assassin, right? The, so you kill, right? So Trump goes, all these organizations freaking out about this. It drops literally like within four days of that we’re covering this a little late that Google admitted that the Biden administration had secretly gotten them to censor wide swaths of mildly right wing information and.

We’ll get into this very true information. [00:01:00] Okay. That, that we now know is what was true from a lot of studies that, that we’re gonna go over now. And I think that this fundamentally when people are like the difference between the left and the right is, is the modern right threatens to censor you for lying the moderate and left.

We will ban you without telling you or anyone else for telling the truth. If you can’t tell who the fascist is there, you know, be aware and I’ll point out like another thing that that will be a, a part of this, which I think is Im important to talk about, is sort of what’s, what’s going on with free speech in the UK right now.

And the, we’ve talked about it before, so I’m not gonna go too deep, but the complete. Degradation and subjugation of the British people. Where one person for example Gar Evans, this is in 2023 in, in five Scotland, which is where I lived in Scotland actually. Yeah. Wrote Islam is questionable on the exterior of her home [00:02:00] and was arrested for that.

It was her private property. It, it was, and oh, he didn’t say Islam is evil. Islam. He said, Islam is questionable. And basically the cops showed up and they go, no, it’s not, not in the uk. Now the reason why this is important to note here is if you wrote that about Christianity or if you wrote that about Judaism you would not be arrested.

And this is true. Sort of a, across the progressive sphere, which is there are classes of people that you are allowed to question and classes of people that you are not allowed to question. Yeah. And I think through that, it’s easy to form an alliance which, which I think is why the, you know, the Christian communities and the Jewish communities have come together so much.

Recently is like, Hey, they wanna get rid of you too. That, that may maybe, maybe we have some overlapping interest at the moment, Lord. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, it, it, it, it matters like a lot to me that you, you literally can’t write. And we’ll go into other instances because he was, he was [00:03:00] released after being in jail for a while.

But the point being is like that he was arrested at all for just saying like, can you question Islam? Like, is this, is this a thing that we’re allowed to do in this society? And was very loudly told. No. No free speech

Simone Collins: or, well, I, I shouldn’t say free speech in the UK is terrifying.

Malcolm Collins: It’s not a free country anymore.

It is a no, it is a dictatorship. Well, I, I would say it’s totalitarian non dictatorship. Like a totalitarian sort of bureaucracy. Yeah. Oh, that’s even

Simone Collins: scarier.

Malcolm Collins: It, it

Simone Collins: both is, is, is, is restrictive. But also it doesn’t get anything done like what is worse than that? At least in China they can like, I’m just gonna put the freeway there.

Tough s**t. But like, oh, I’m just gonna put the freeway there. Tough. But then, you know, in the UK it’s, it’s just everything’s slowed down by the bureaucracy and you don’t have the freedoms.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I wanna point out here to people who are like, well, you know, you’re criticizing progressives for using the government.

We’ll go to how they use the government to, to ban these platforms, to type the things that were getting banned. [00:04:00] You, you criticize progressives for doing this. Why do you want Trump to attempt to do the same sorts of things? And my answer is. Because they will not make it illegal if we do not also abuse it.

That that’s, that’s the, the, the fact of it when this came to the Supreme Court, that the Biden administration had done this despite people who had YouTube channels with millions of followers being shut down for saying things that were true. That. That they said no harm had come to anyone.

And so it lost at the Supreme Court. Huh? The Supreme Court justices on the progressive side are not going to say that Presidents shouldn’t be able to bully people into you know, well, we, we can do it the ethical way and they can do it the unethical way. We can just say, Hey, let’s stop the people who are actively lying.

Right? They, they, if we don’t do that. The, it never becomes illegal because the left is like, but, but you see the Right. Always resists using this. Yeah. Any, any thoughts on that point, by the way?

Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean. [00:05:00] The, yeah, I appreciate your, you’re arguing it that way because I see it argued in the opposite way that Trump is going to restrict free speech and then this is even bad for the right at this time, because then once the left is in power, they’re gonna use the, the precedent that Trump put in place to restrict free speech.

We literally

Malcolm Collins: just learned that the left was already doing that, but secretly,

Simone Collins: yeah, that’s the thing is I would, one, I mean I think it’s, it’s very different to, to encourage the FCC to

Malcolm Collins: ban people from blatantly lying about ease of the Rififi facts. And then, yeah, because it, and by the reason he was banned wasn’t even because he lied.

It was because he refused to admit that he lied on air and apologized for it.

Simone Collins: Well, and he still, I mean, everyone says that he released an apology video. It was very heartfelt. But he, he, he didn’t acknowledge the fact that he misrepresented. The affiliation of the assassin. And, and that’s also odd, but I [00:06:00] think that

Malcolm Collins: it, it’s not odd it showed an unwillingness to accept reality or to communicate truth.

Well, again, I

Simone Collins: think that, that it’s kind of, he has to, because eventually he knows he’s going off conventionally to be air. His only audience after that is going to be extreme progressives. He can’t do anything to alienate that audience like it would be, I wouldn’t, if I were him, it would be dumb. It doesn’t, it doesn’t matter.

He can’t, he can’t concede that grom. So anyway, I don’t, I don’t care about that. It’s logical what he’s done. But the government can choose who gets spectrum, who gets allocated spectrum. Yeah. In the United States, and they get to choose that. It’s for the public good. And if there is active misrepresentation of reality, that is provable.

I don’t see that as being a problem. That’s, that’s really, I don’t care, especially with the internet, do we really care that much? Who gets spectrum? I, I

Malcolm Collins: do see it as being a problem. Okay. I do see it as being a problem, but I think that the only way that you get it. [00:07:00] Made illegal is by abusing it because the left is already abusing these systems.

Mm-hmm. So, and, and that’s what we’ll be going over documentation about. Well, no,

Simone Collins: but it was worse though because like the, the, well the reason why you can’t just say is, is free

Malcolm Collins: Simone, the reason you can’t say what you are saying is because the left, when they banned people for telling the truth, and we now have science showing that it was the truth at the time, science, we now have proof.

That that happened, COVID experts saying that it wasn’t true. Oh. So, so the problem is, is they determine what’s true. You know, they’ll say, oh, well it is, it is. Probably true that questioning trans identities gets trans people killed, even though we know for a fact that’s not true. Mm-hmm. We know that actually in the UK when they banned access to this, unliving rates did not go up within that community.

And this is like a, we have a huge amount of data in this. So it’s factually untrue. Mm-hmm. And yet they’ll just say, well, it is true because I hired my gender expert, you know, and my, and, and, and this [00:08:00] person says it. You know this thing about race and we have our team of race experts and we have our team of fat studies experts.

You, you, you can’t do that, but it’s, hey, if you actually are doing it for what is true to the point where the left feels they need to react by making it illegal I think that Trump is doing this in the most ethical way a human can, which is antagonizing them over things that are actual lies so that, so that you can antagonize them into making laws around this that can pass by partisan, because I think that every Republican wants our most.

Same Republicans don’t want people to be able to do this. So to continue here Google’s letter, sorry. Any other thing you wanted to say? No, no. Go on. Go on. You, you, sorry. I disagree with you. What’s your rebuttal? Or do you, do you agree?

Simone Collins: I mean, I, I wasn’t, I wasn’t disagreeing with you in the beginning.

Well, no, no, no. But

Malcolm Collins: what you said was, if something is not true, you should be able to Oh, no,

Simone Collins: no, no. Yeah, no, you make a fair point. As you were saying that, I was even thinking about the fact that. Someone on the left could actually say, [00:09:00] no. Jimmy Kimmel wasn’t at all wrong. This, this guy Tyler Robinson was Maga.

His parents were Maga. He has a MAGA background, therefore he’s Maga. He wouldn’t have had, had his parents not been maga, he wouldn’t have grown up around gun culture and had the agency and ability to do what he did. Therefore he’s maga that’s the truth. So I, I now see what you’re saying and you’re absolutely right that any side can bend the truth and, and shift the, and, and the goal is to

Malcolm Collins: not do that as a side, right?

Yes, correct. Like to actually try to, because eventually if you are engaging with the truth, you end up winning because you’re gonna make more sound decisions in the same way that I can tell a leftist if you don’t have kids. Because, you know, nine out of of of 10 kids who are born to a leftist are left as adults and eight outta 10 kids who are born to a Republican or Republican as adults.

If you don’t have kids, leftists are gonna disappear and they can re and yell at me. And I tell that to a Republican, they’re like, yeah, that makes sense. We should probably have more kids. You know, because we’re playing with real data here. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But to continue. [00:10:00] Google’s letter explicitly acknowledged that Biden administration officials quote, created a political atmosphere that sought to coerce in quote censorship describing the pressure as quote unquote unacceptable.

So let’s get into what the Biden administration actually did to like, get quotes of this. ‘cause I, I’ve heard a lot of, oh, they pressured them. How did they pressure them? Him? So, in April, 2021 the, there was a. They basically Google the White House, came to Google and said, Hey, you need to. Ban anybody who is questioning the effectiveness of vaccines.

And anyone who is and we’ll get to this later, anyone who is sharing the quote unquote lab leak hypothesis, which we know is probably true. Then, then Google said, but that’s not against our terms and standards and it’s not against the rules that you gave us. And the Biden administration then said basically tough titties.

Like you, you have to ban ‘em. I don’t care. Yeah. So context. White House officials pushed YouTube to address V vaccine hesitancy more aggressively, [00:11:00] including content that wasn’t outright misinformation, but could quote unquote contribute to doubt. And this came amid Biden’s public criticisms of platforms for not doing enough.

And I’ll note here again, like, while we’re gonna be talking about this, I’m not mentioning the thing that we already know about from the Twitter files and from Facebook the, the Biden administration forced tech companies to lie about Hunter Biden’s laptop story and, and, and say it was a fake story when it turned out it was real.

And they used the FBI to threaten companies into giving misinformation to people. Mm. That was very

Simone Collins: messed up.

Malcolm Collins: And, and there was a separate one where they didn’t admit that the Trump Russia videos were like faked. Wow. That the, the FB, I didn’t actually believe in those. But that’s like a separate thing.

Quote, so this, this, this, this is a quote here. Are you guys doing anything with your product team to crack down on vaccine misinformation? If not, what could we be doing to help end quote. They, they added that they wanted to discuss quote ways, the White House and our COVID experts, COVID experts can [00:12:00] partner in product, in your product work in quote.

And I think that this was during that time period where like even saying the word COVID on YouTube would get a video like demonetized and banned which is absolutely totalitarian and weird. Because like you’re in the middle of a pandemic and you’re not allowed to say the name of the pandemic on the number one.

Like, by the way, it, yeah,

Simone Collins: it became our Voldemort, which was really interesting.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. It, it was so dystopian and, and I’ll note here around the dystopian nature of this YouTube at the time people were like, well, you could just create your own alternative, like right-wing platform. It’s like, not really because YouTube is a.

Person to person marketplace. It forms something called a natural monopoly. This is true of, of, of search engines as well. And essentially it means that a competitor will never have more than 20% of the marketplace within a natural monopoly. And then the next competitor has no more than 2%. It’s a.

Common thing. It’s, it’s, it’s very common in business. And if you study the way economics work, it, it becomes clear why this takes effect. But yeah, if you can get YouTube to, to censor people, you’ve basically censored the entire informational [00:13:00] sphere. Anyway, follow up quote. Quote, this is a concern that is shared at the highest, and I mean highest levels of the White House.

We want to be sure that you have a handle on vaccine hesitancy generally, and are working towards making the problem better vaccine hesitancy. YouTube’s internal response staff noted flattery was quote, dug in our, on our decision. Marking for borderline content in quote and Warren, the situation that could quote, potentially spiral out of control if not addressed.

And so they ended up cracking down on true posts that that could be seen as drawing questions around vaccines. Now, he, he, he flattery. So in, in 2021 he did something where he would flag specific non, non ative videos and ask them to delete them. So basically the White House had a team that would search YouTube and then tell YouTube what channels to delete.

Simone Collins: I don’t like this one. Take it down.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, burn the witch. Burn it.

Simone Collins: Wow.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Wow. [00:14:00] Actually specifically one of the channels that was taken down for that was RFKs channel. People

Simone Collins: should get cute little badges by their names if they were handpicked. By the inspiration, by the, yeah. Kind of like a badge of honor.

You know, I was, I was taken down and all I got was this stupid YouTube badge.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I’m not gonna go over all of these because there is a lot of really horrifying evidence here. Okay. Of them bullying YouTube into taking stuff down. Well, no, it, it matters. Well, they have, I

Simone Collins: mean, the Twitter files also show that there was this like, direct line of communication as well, right?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. They could just go and it, I just wanna bring it back to this Trump. Threatened you did not actually take someone off the air for knowingly lie, the administration, you’re, you’re muted.

Simone Collins: But the best thing about it is that he was very public about it. That he, when he posts [00:15:00] this stuff. Yeah. And it’s not just that, it’s also like his justice Department pressuring and stuff.

He like literally is posting messages on truth social and on x.

Malcolm Collins: The, the point here being is that the, the left. Did not freak out when they saw that their own site had done this times a million.

Simone Collins: Well, without their knowledge, without anyone knowing, trying to hide it behind closed doors without any oversight.

Malcolm Collins: And I’ll note here, one of the things that would often get channels taken down, because I wanna go into this, ‘cause this we actually have a lot of evidence on was not just vaccine hesitancy, but the White House dumped this into vaccine hesitancy was hesitancy around masks. Wearing masks. Dun, dun dun.

Yeah, this was, well, here is the problem with the whole masky thing. We now have a lot of evidence on masks, and what we learned is that they did nothing and may have caused brain damage. So let’s get into [00:16:00] masks because a lot of people will point to, they’ll go, oh, look at the studies. Where over the short term, they are reducing the spread of certain types of diseases.

And it is true over the long term. It completely comes out in the wash because of the faster spread of immune response within a region. So, because like you should have known this, if you’re just slowing down the spread of a disease within a region like eventually it’s still gonna spread throughout the region if it’s a high relief virent disease.

Right? So. Sweden avoided strict national mass mandates relying on voluntary use and no lockdowns while neighbors enforced some alongside schools closures and border controls. Okay, Sweden saw faster early spread two to three x higher per capita in the spring of 2020, but long-term excess mortality was comparable and not statistically worse.

So if you compare the, the deaths in Sweden per a hundred k between 20 and sorry, 2020 and 2022 you had around 158 in, in Sweden in, in some cases you had left, like in Norway, which had strict man outs in [00:17:00] Lockdowns 1 29, but not a statistically meaningful number. And then if, if you look at Finland.

You get significantly higher and, and they had strict mandates and, and borders. So they had, compared to Sweden, which had nothing, 158, they had 228 despite. Wow. Strict mandates in border control. Okay. Yeah. And in the US states you actually see something very similar. So if we compare the, the states SDIA in Florida, what was that, South Dakota, I wanna say, Iowa and Florida which had very loose ma mask measures to states that had very strict ones California and Newark.

Hawaii you, you actually see almost exactly the same death rate, which was three 50 to 400. And, and then but in the latter

Simone Collins: states, people didn’t have, speech was ugly. Faces

Malcolm Collins: saw higher death rates in, in California, New York, and Hawaii. 300 to four 50. So, so about yeah. So, now note here that these are more urban states, which, which obviously accounts for something, but Sure.

It didn’t work the way they said it [00:18:00] would. Thoughts before I go further here,

Simone Collins: I, I, yeah, I mean, I’m glad you’re bringing this up just ‘cause I think we forget it so easily because it was such a weird year. We just kind of write it off. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: It’s like you, the left thought they had an opportunity to go dictatorial and they just.

Effing ran with it. Wow. And I think

Simone Collins: Trump was president for the beginning of this whole thing. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But he didn’t implement these. Do you remember when Trump wanted to implement flight restrictions to China and he was called like a racist?

Simone Collins: He called it the China virus ‘cause because it was kung

Malcolm Collins: flu.

Simone,

Simone Collins: the kung flu. Did he actually say kung flu? Oh yeah.

Malcolm Collins: He

Simone Collins: called it kung flu. Why did that catch

Malcolm Collins: on? Oh, it did catch on with conservatives, but you’d be banned from saying it from leftist circles. Oh boy. The kung flu. That is such a great term. Anyway so, and I think Nancy Pelosi, like mainstream Democrats, was one of the ones who called him racist for attempting to prevent the spread early on.

But he didn’t implement the really dictatorial measures that the leftist did. Like, you know, [00:19:00] as we, as we talk about, and Tim Walt State they had a, a system where you, you had, you were locked down in your home and neighbors, the snitch system on you Yeah. To go to jail. Like that is, that is great. Up like crazy.

That is crazy. And I think that this is when a lot of people switched to the right. Like they were like, right, curious. And then like the COVID stuff happened and they’re like, oh, you guys are Ns. Like now I know what you do when we give you an ounce of power. This is not good. Yeah. But anyway, I also wanted to talk about the, the, brain damage stuff because this is, this is something that, that’s like on the edge, but I, I think that there’s enough evidence to be like probably given how much the left doesn’t want this to be the case. So a, a 2023 scoping review speculated chronic low level CO2, even within the 0.3 range, which is what you get with.

Masks can risk, could cause still burrs, cognitive delays based on animal and submarine data. But it’s circumstantial and no human trials were ever created. What I read [00:20:00] about this though is that

Simone Collins: it, it, it was like very uniquely contraindicated for pregnant women. Yes. Just super not safe.

And I was pregnant during this process. Very not

Malcolm Collins: safe to do. And, and any doctor would tell you that you cannot wear because you’re, you’re, you’re, you’re recirculating. CO2 which yeah. Is not good. It’s not the way you’re supposed to read, like your, your biology evolves the way it did for a reason, right?

Yeah.

Simone Collins: We don’t have big flaps of skin in front of our faces for a reason, even though sometimes we end up swallowing a bug.

Malcolm Collins: Yes, you, you could, there’d be many benefits to having a giant flap in front of your face. Biology didn’t make us that way.

Simone Collins: It did not. It did not. Yeah. It’s so weird. It’s so weird.

Malcolm Collins: So, a 2021 BMC study. This was a small one on only 11 adults noted. CO2 exceeding eight hour NOSI limits. Under K nine 90 fives. But they said below short term ones, no health effects observed, but again, 11 participants. There was a [00:21:00] 2021 study by JAMA Pediatrics on 45 children, which found CO2 rises to 13 to 14,000 ppm under surgical FFP two masks.

Ooh. Which would cause. Long-term brain damage but it was quote unquote retracted for dangerous claims. And now I’ll know, you know, if you’re, if you’re in the middle of a COVID panic and, and you’re like this guy’s pointing out that this could cause problems and you still don’t know, like it hasn’t been proven yet that the anti maskers were right.

All along you, you are gonna push to get something like that retracted?

Simone Collins: Well, and we also have, we know people personally who did peer reviewed research on mask efficacy during the pandemic, and they tried a broad variety of different. Homespun materials because remember also at the time we were supposed to save medical grade N95 masks for medical professionals because they were in short supply.

So people were encouraged to make their own masks. They were largely made out of cotton and [00:22:00] whatnot. And what our friend was doing is looking at a broad array of different materials to figure out what actually would filter out virus particles including at one point. This person sent me a hilarious picture of, pantyhose over their head. They’re like, this is humiliating, but you gotta do what you gotta do. They ultimately found that the best material, just FYI, if you’re gonna make your own ceiling mask, and it has to be ceiling and fit into your face, was vacuum filter material. So if you bought, you know, a bunch of dry vacuum filters and then build masks out of that, it actually does do a pretty good job.

At replicating the same effects of an N95 mask. No one was doing that. They were buying fricking, you know, cotton masks on Etsy. That’s what we all had. Right. So not only were you recirculating carbon dioxide, you were not effectively protecting yourself or o or other people, quite frankly, from Well, you, you did

Malcolm Collins: slow the [00:23:00] spread a bit with a mask, it just didn’t affect long term.

Yeah, sure. ‘cause if you’re

Simone Collins: coughing or sneezing, it’s not gonna go as far. I mean, it does help. And that is why in Asia it’s. It’s a courtesy to, if you’re feeling under the weather, go out and wear a mask. I, I appreciate that. And I think there was this really big, underrated element of it. This circulated a lot in leftist circles during the pandemic of like, people actually not enjoying not showing their faces because they were ugly and everyone looked slightly more attractive when wearing a mask because you just couldn’t, you, you would just imagine.

Kind of like how AI just makes more attractive faces. Yeah. This was a big

Malcolm Collins: problem for me because my beauty is like the way I I get by in society.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well and all the, what we were during the pandemic is a mask. I should try to find some photos so I can send it to you for the podcast was a, oh, this

Malcolm Collins: is when we were doing flights and stuff.

Well, this was ‘cause you were pregnant and stuff.

Simone Collins: It was because I was pregnant too. And going through IVF was a full face ceiling. Filtration mask, [00:24:00] like,

Malcolm Collins: but we only, we only use this for like airplanes and stuff. We, we generally going,

Simone Collins: I weren’t going to doctor’s offices and stuff because

Malcolm Collins: really didn’t wanna Well risk you pregnant.

Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And I point out during COVID especially in the early days, we didn’t know what the long-term effects this was gonna have on pregnancies and stuff like that. And so a lot of people are like, oh, why be worried about it? You know, if you’re pregnant, you need to be worried about stuff like this.

You can’t treat it lightly if there’s a new disease.

Simone Collins: Well, and the mask that we actually used didn’t really restrict air access. It had working filters attached to it. Yeah. It wasn’t like wearing cloth over your face that you couldn’t breathe through. I remember wearing cloth masks and feeling super claustrophobic and like I couldn’t breathe and I was, yeah.

Much harder. And when we wore the. The other mask. It was not exactly comfortable but you, so

Malcolm Collins: what, what, what would get your channel restricted? Three core categories. Oh, hold on.

Simone Collins: I, I wanna, sorry, just to like close the loop. So our friend did this research and it basically was like, yeah, none of the masks that people are wearing are very effective and at least in terms of protecting them.

But they had to write an [00:25:00] abstract that basically said the opposite and was like, no, masks are good. Masks are good because they were funded by. Not in us, but yeah, by the NIH. And they basically weren’t allowed to say stuff that would reduce mask use potentially. So they had to bury the lead like way deep in their paper.

They were like, by the way, none of these mainstream masks work. But their abstract basically said the opposite. And that’s just, I think another example of this.

Malcolm Collins: Creepy. You, you see this all the time? Yeah. With, with NIH funded stuff and stuff like that, you know, again, UK dictatorial countries these days.

But what was being banned? Okay. So yeah, COVID-19 related content in a few categories. You could be banned for arguing that they’re with a lab leak. Which again, I think Stephen is it John Stewart on the Stephen Colbert show pointed this out the best.

Speaker 23: A novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China. What do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask? The [00:26:00] Wuhan Novel Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. The disease is the same name as the lab.

And then they ask the scientists, wait a minute. You work at the Wuhan Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. How did this happen? And they’re like, Mmm, a pangolin kissed a turtle. And you’re like, No! If you look at the name,

show me your business card. Oh, I work at the Coronavirus lab in Wuhan. Oh, because there’s a coronavirus loose in Wuhan. How did that happen? Maybe a bat flew into the cloaca of a turkey and now we all have coronavirus. Like, come on.

Okay, okay. Wait a second. Wait a second. What about this? What about this? Listen to this. Wait a second. All right. John. Oh my god. Oh my god. There’s been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania. What do you think happened? [00:27:00] Like, oh, I don’t know, maybe something. Maybe it’s a cocoa bean or it’s the f ing chocolate factory.

Maybe that’s it.

Speaker 22: That could that could very well be and Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins and NIH have said like it should definitely be investigated.

Speaker 23: Stop with the. Logic and people and things. The name

Speaker 22: of the disease Wait a second, wait a second Is all over the building Wait a second, but it could be possible, you could be right It could be possible that they have The lab in Wuhan To study the novel coronavirus Diseases because of the bat population there.

Sure, no. I understand.

Speaker 23: It’s the only place to find bats oh, wait. Austin, Texas has thousands of them that fly out of a cave every night. . Is there a coronavirus, an Austin coronavirus?

No, it doesn’t seem to be an Austin coronavirus.

Malcolm Collins: . And, and Colbert is like freaking out because he, he is gone so woke, he can’t even like, deal with the questioning.

Oh boy. And why, why [00:28:00] even were they restricting that? Oh, yeah. Because then we would’ve found out that Fauci had played a for hole in funding that, and, and Mr. Fauci would’ve gotten in big trouble. So, they’re also like actively were trying to destroy people’s careers to cover their tracks on the role that they played in starting all of this.

Yeah. And, and here I’ll put through, through gain of function research, and here I’ll put my little skit that I created on gain of function research

Speaker 3: It is time for the Mad Scientist Society’s annual most evil invention in the world contest. It’s the most evil invention in the world, is my shrink ray. Ooh, my entry for world’s most evil invention is the freeze ray. Hello? Okay. Who is Nick?

Hi guys. Uh, I’m, um, my name is Roy and, uh, I, um, and for the most evil invention in the world contest, I invented a, [00:29:00] uh, a deadly virus that you probably know is COVID.

I beg your pardon? What? Um. Oh, I’m sorry. I’ll, I’ll speak up. Uh, so I work at the U Wuhan COVID Gain of Function labs. It’s this lab where we take viruses. In this case specifically, we were working with the COVID virus, um, and attempt to make it both more virulent and more deadly. Um. So, uh, do I win the contest?

That seems like I win? Seems like I win. Oh my gosh. My most evil idea was a blizzard in July. Right? Well, I went in a slightly different direction with the assignment. You a deadly pandemic. Yes, yes, yes. That’s that exactly right. This, this guy gets it. You get it? Oh my God. No, I don’t. How, how do you even build a deadlier, more virulent virus?

Speaker 4: Well that’s a, um, that’s a great question. [00:30:00] What you do is you start by building a regular COVID virus and then you make small modifications to it that might make it more virulent or more deadly, and then you test it out on thousands upon thousands of animals until you find one that’s just really good at killing things.

Speaker 3: Nope. That it continues. Uh, the cycle. That’s the most hideous thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life. Oh, well thank you very much. You see, the shrink guy is with me all the way. Stop saying that Webster’s Dictionary defines evil as profoundly immoral. We know what evil means. Well, it doesn’t seem like you do ‘cause you built a a freeze ring.

I think someone should call the police. They.

Malcolm Collins: . Now the, the next thing that they were. Banning people for was 2020 election related claims content, challenging election fraud irregularity. Oh, yeah.

Or challenging official narratives. And this, this was really horrifying, I think, in retrospect because it was a conversation that we weren’t allowed to have publicly. And I think because we never had that conversation people, like even broadly educated [00:31:00] people I’m aware of do not know how fishy that election was.

When you’re, when you, when you actually go over the data, uh mm-hmm. And I don’t know, I’m gonna have to cut this out because it, it used to be, this was the thing, like I could talk about murdering someone on the street and YouTube wouldn’t restrict me. But if I mentioned, I. I’m showing you numbers here, you America, who lived through two election cycles.

Yeah. You see this line on this graph, right? This is the line of democratic voters for every election cycle Recently. It is about the same with small differences, all except in one year in the 2020 election. If the data is correct, it means that Joe Biden was a dramatically more, and I’m not talking about in relation to Trump.

I’m talking about in an absolute getting voters out level. Dramatically more popular than Obama.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Which is if you Joe Biden, if Biden [00:32:00] Biden Yeah. Is dramatically more popular than Obama. Okay. Yeah. That’s, if you lived through both of those election cycles, you’d just be like. That is completely impossible.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean, for those of you outside America, when obo, when Obama was running, he felt like the new Kennedy. He felt so new and exciting. I was in Washington, DC just a few blocks from the White House when he was elected. When the results were called in, people flooded into the streets. Oh, I was

Malcolm Collins: in Scotland for an all night until like 5:00 AM like election watching party.

It was wild. This did not happen

Simone Collins: with Biden. This was not a thing with Biden.

Malcolm Collins: And people joked about this in like 30 Rock. There’s this scene where, you know, for the second Obama election, you know, just not that many people show up to the party and goes, I thought it was gonna be magical. Like the first one again.

South Park did a thing on it as well, you know, like, yeah, well, people destroying cars and everything and all excited over Obama winning. You know, it, it is, it is one of those things where if you lived through it. You, [00:33:00] you don’t need anything. But people are like, well, but mail-in voting. And, and it’s like, well, if mail-in voting caused something like 18% more people to vote than previous, than in other election cycles.

‘cause there was mail-in voting in the next election cycle and you were back down to the normal number of votes. How did that happen if it was mail-in voting? Right. And if people are like, well, mail-in voting led to and COVID led to, you know, dramatically more people voting, then that’s still suspicious.

Right? Like, why were so many more people voting than apparently had ever voted before or were going to vote again in American history? A little odd. A little odd. A little odd. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And that’s something that like a reasonable person should be asking. I, I think that there are potential explanations like, it, it could be that COVID really did cause that big of an effect.

It it like enough people weren’t working at the time or something that it allowed more people to go to the polls. Could be maybe, but we didn’t see it in the midterms. It also had people not working, so probably [00:34:00] not odd. But it’s, it’s something that like. You should have been able to talk about.

Right? Yeah. And it felt very much like one of those countries where an election is rigged and then anybody who mentions that the electorate is rigged gets immediately pulled from the air and assassinated. Yeah. That’s, that’s sort of what it felt like. Also, they were banning things for broader political speech accounts, promoting conservative or dissenting viewpoints on government policies.

With the Biden administration reportedly pressured Google to remove lawful content to align with their goals and winning elections.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Wow. So to go over some of these Dan bungalow he was banned in January, 2022. His channel had 2.5 million subscribers. And he was banned for questioning mass efficacy.

Oh boy. Not. Not extreme right wing content or anything like that, just questioning mask efficacy. A 2.5 million subscriber, that’s not like one guy’s full-time job in life work. That’s a lot of people’s full-time. [00:35:00] Well, and how

Simone Collins: many, I mean, how many viewers did the Jimmy Kimmel show have that were regular?

It had

Malcolm Collins: less, it had a, an average viewer of 1.6. So like, thats also

Simone Collins: an important point when it was

Malcolm Collins: banned. So, so he touches fewer people than this guy touched? Yeah. If you’re talking about like, who is doing more substantive bans in terms of affecting the public, but it wasn’t like that was done in, in isolation.

Steve Bannon was also suspended, like mainstream political figures.

Simone Collins: Oh, Malcolm, president Trump, the, the, the sitting president was banned on x on, well, no, that was not X yet on Twitter. That, I mean, enough said.

Malcolm Collins: Generally Kennedy’s channel was banned. Yeah,

Simone Collins: but Malcolm, the president of

Malcolm Collins: states like this.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But Trump was

Malcolm Collins: banned

Simone Collins: the sitting president by a platform,

Malcolm Collins: not by an alternate administration working in secret. That’s very different, Simone.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean, you

Malcolm Collins: could, you can say the gall of banning a sitting president from your platform to try to look lower The three. Well, I mean,

Simone Collins: to your point, if there’s [00:36:00] a natural monopoly.

And that’s where the people are. And, and the people should probably know what the leader of a major country is up to. I,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. If, if, if you, if you look at Sebastian Ro, a national security commentator, he was banned in 2021 for talking about mail-in ballot issues. And the, the, the mail-in voting concerns that he brought up were, were specifically.

On post-election audits, talking about procedural clause. Oh, it’s dear signature mismatches. So he was that thing fraud. He was, he was talking about like a factual report on errors in the voting and it got his channel banned. If we’re talking about that guy, he, his podcast with around 200 to 30,000 Steve Bannon was 200 to 300,000.

If, if you talk about, the RFK thing is around 300,000. These, these are subscriber numbers, so you know, significantly more. It, it, it’s sort of an aggregate than anything that you’re getting with late night hosts or [00:37:00] anything like this. And this was all done in secret.

Simone Collins: Yeah, it’s the in secret part that gets to me.

When there’s enough public scrutiny about something, I mean, a actually great point with Jimmy Kimmel, right? It was, it was public. There was a backlash. Disney reacted. Disney put Kimmel back on the air, Kimmel’s back on the air. All right, fine. So it’s, it just, it’s a better outcome than these people.

Getting secretly banned. And to many people just looking kind of like butt hurt conspiracy theorists, I think it’s really easy to look the other way when there isn’t really a good public record for someone’s censorship. Yeah, yeah. Just assume like, well, they probably posted some slurs or something that run counter to this platform’s policies you would never know.

That this was the White House emailing their dedicated email. Yeah. Hey,

Malcolm Collins: RFK just said lab leak is real. That might lead to fauci ban him.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So I, yeah, I like, [00:38:00] I, I

Malcolm Collins: appreciate that and know what happens. I mean, imagine if Kamala had won, where are we? None of this ever comes to light. This stuff just stays going on.

You know, we increasingly become more and more controlled to where, like the UK. Like, look at what’s happening in the uk. Steve Laws was arrested recently for a post on Twitter. What did he say? And, and he’s not allowed to talk about what the post was. This is what the, the comment Oh my gosh. That’s creepy to talk about.

They will not tell you often. What got you arrested?

Simone Collins: That makes me nervous. Like, ‘cause you

Malcolm Collins: wanna know what not to say. Pete, north of Northern Variant was arrested at night by North Yorkshire Police. Okay. And literally what his post was, that was just like a meme that said f. Islam in part of it.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And again, it’s, it’s like you can’t control you. You can insult some groups, but not other groups. Yeah. You, you will regularly get, I mean, imagine if you could ban someone by being like white tears or like male tears or something like that. Right. But if you say you know, question Islam, all of a sudden you’re in jail.

[00:39:00] Right. David Atherton was arrested for posting similar things about Islam. And, and, and you’re seeing this throughout the uk. This is where we go. Specifically the longer post that he said was F Palestine, F Hamas, F Islam like that. Imagine how many atheists have said things like that about Christianity, or how many feminists, or how many trans activists have.

And yet we’re not, we’re not seeing, I’m almost like, you know what? We’ll just leave this all in place, but we get to use it for Christian stuff now too. How about that? If you do that, if Trump administration or the right in the UK started to do that, the left would get rid of these laws ity split.

That’s the, that’s the benefit of abusing these laws in kind, because then they’re like, oh, that’s a good point. We be used against us. We should make it illegal.

Simone Collins: Yeah, no, that’s a point that I haven’t really seen made is you just want to create forcing functions that make this impossible for anyone to do.

Yeah, so I like that. I do. Oh, interesting discussion. Because I, I’ve seen a lot of [00:40:00] vary. One note condemnations of Trump’s actions around Kimmel without larger context. And so I appreciate your taking a deeper look here.

Malcolm Collins: I heard that like Vince Shapiro was even like against him, which seems stupid to me against

Simone Collins: what Trump had done with Jimmy Kimmel.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. It seems like actively stupid, like we’re playing a larger game here. If, if one team knows that you never pick the nunchucks, they never ban the nunchucks, you know, you, they’re never going to ban something if you never pick it. And we need to get these bans in place. People. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Fair point.

Malcolm Collins: I didn’t even think that that would be, if Trump administration just goes at and says that’s why they’re doing it.

It’s like, Hey, the Biden administration did this. We’re gonna do it until you make it illegal. Here is the law to make it illegal. I want you to pass this law. That would be balls out. I would do that if I was present. That’s why you guys need to get on this.

All right. I mean, it is, it [00:41:00] is weird how close we came to like a really horrific timeline when everybody’s like, yeah, how do you see the Democrats of the totalitarian ones? And it’s like, this and your guys’ reaction to Jimmy Kimmel versus this, which has been crickets.

Simone Collins: And we just wanna, we wanna avoid becoming the UK basically.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and it shows when they do these reactions, like what about free speech? They do not care about free speech. They care about controlling you if you fall for this bs. You allow them to do that.

Anyway I am just so, so, so excited to be your husband. To be on this side politically is a wonderful party over here. They’re all so nice. They, they are so nice compared to when, when I worked with leftist activists.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I appreciate the freedom. Of it. And the fact that a lot of people can be in the same room and disagree, and that’s okay.

That’s, that’s what I’m all about, [00:42:00] so,

Malcolm Collins: oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that, that seems to define the modern, right? Yeah. Is, is respectful disagreement amongst ourselves. And I really deeply appreciate that. And it’s so different from the, the alternate, you know, sort of flotilla disagreements and stuff like that.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Please, excuse me, I’m sorry.

Malcolm Collins: I think it’s because we, when we disagree, we’re looking for what’s true. When I get in an argument with another right leaning individual. I am not arguing over which truth we are going to impose upon people regardless of its veracity. I’m trying to figure out and convince them that my beliefs are actually true.

You know, when you look at something like the blowup of the flotilla, where, you know, the, the people march out because there’s a gay person on board because they’re Islamists. You know, when they’re debating with the gay person, you know, they’re not. They’re not having like a debate over like, is gay, okay.

It’s, it’s like, do we [00:43:00] live in, in in this reality or do we live in this reality Because this is the reality I want to impose upon the population. Yeah. And we were only able to agree with each other and, and, and coexist because I pretended that you didn’t have these views and you pretended I didn’t have these views.

Whereas in the right, like I’m well aware of where we differ from Catholics. I’m well aware of where we differ from Jews. Right? Like I’m well aware, so, well I,

Simone Collins: but I also appreciate is that groups are willing to. Carry their own weight and tend to their own flocks. Whereas on the left, there’s the expectation that everyone else is going to carry my special interest group and put their needs behind mine.

Whereas there’s not this expectation on the right that my religious group or ethnic group or cultural group is going is entitled to the support of every other group, whether or not they consent. Yeah. That’s another really big one for me is, is the entitlement is. Way lower, so it’s good. Anyway, I love you and tonight.

Love you too. I was thinking maybe I [00:44:00] could really quickly shred and cook down a small sub batch of the reang, saute it and then air fry it under mozzarella cheese. What do you think? Just to give it a try.

Malcolm Collins: I will try the meat, but I think it might be at the stage because it’s been about a day since we started cooking it.

Yeah. Where it’s uniquely tough rather than uniquely soft.

Simone Collins: All right.

Malcolm Collins: We don’t have to, but we’ll see. Because it’s a different cut. So, because usually you stew meat for this. And I decided not to go a bit fancier this time. You know, somebody’s saying, oh, Malcolm makes his wife cook for him. Well, she’s pregnant, you know, that’s, I also make her make money for me. Okay. I’m, I’m the full, I, I bring nothing to this relationship. He’s absolutely

Simone Collins: lying. He’s absolutely lying. How in the middle of the night who goes and gets the kids? It’s Malcolm. When the kids need to get a doctor appointment or get picked up from school, it’s Malcolm on the weekends.

Who’s playing with the kids all day? It’s Malcolm. Oh

Malcolm Collins: gosh. Don’t throw me into the buyer patch. [00:45:00] Don’t make me play with the kids on weekends. It’s such a burden. It is such a burden. Dads pervasively

Simone Collins: call it babysitting when they watch kids because they think that it’s like special when they do it.

Malcolm Collins: I thought about.

As soon as we get an income source coming in just going full-time with childcare because I enjoy it so much. Yeah, I

Simone Collins: thought about it too. It’s, yeah, because they’re just, they’re wonderful. Anyway let’s, let’s move on. Gotta go. But I love you very much. What,

Malcolm Collins: what’s the next piece? Would you wanna do one for, I already sent you one link.

Okay, great.

Speaker: Cake. Yeah, they’re making little cakes. Whoa. I want a robot like that. Whoas right side up.

That’s it. They don’t have a, do we? I want a convey like that. Mommy. Whoa. Look at that [00:46:00] machine. I think it’s cutting them in half. What do you think, mommy?

Speaker 2: But yeah, I think because they’re gonna ing in the middle, they want walk red.

They’re putting all the.

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