When i was at columbia studying social work, i realized that one of the things that non prophets really need to learn to do is tell their story. So through working with non profits, i decided to go back to get that education an social work and then you went back to san francisco and became an illustrator. For a long time, in the fine art world, illustration was considered something to be a decoration. That's kind of what it s and hopefully that is changing now. But i made a lot of bad art for a long time. I mean, the worst videos and photographs you've ever seen in your life. What made you keep trying? I think i was