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Chaos in the Kremlin
This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler
The Importance of Civil Society in the War
I think anybody can understand why that's an appealing narrative. And I think that's another thing not to underestimate is Praguzhin at several points has told the truth about the war. But for obvious reasons, Putin can't take it because when push comes to shove, he always sides with the elites. So as a result, you're going to have two kind of probably competing candidates or two competing elites thinking forward to the future and after Putin. That might like what we don't really see a positive way to develop in Russia right now. It doesn't mean all Ukrainians would want the Russian Federation to collapse - but there are people who do.
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