Dave Sherman: When people are thinking about career change in any way whatsoever, it often feels risky. He says if we do a little bit of upfront extra work and extra effort, just a tiny bit upfront with the intent to experiment, we can learn what we really actually need. It's interesting how you and I in some ways do very different work on helping them to discover that clarity and next up in their careers," he said.
Scott Anthony Barlow: Happen to Your Career
Scott Anthony Barlow wants you to find work you love. He is CEO of Happen To Your Career and host of the Happen to Your Career podcast, which has been listened to over 3 million times across 159 countries and is the largest career change podcast in the world.
As a former HR leader, Scott has interviewed over two thousand people for jobs and completely rejects the way most organizations choose to do work. He’s a nerd for self development, human behavior, and ice hockey. He's the author of the book Happen to Your Career: An Unconventional Approach to Career Change and Meaningful Work*.
In this conversation, Scott and I discuss the assumptions that many of us bring to finding career happiness — and where those assumptions might lead us astray. We also explore in detail the process that Scott and his team use with clients: career experimenting. In addition, Scott and I share how we’ve used experimenting in our own careers to align with meaning.
Key Points
People assume that you start with clarity. In actuality, you start with declaring priorities, which is what eventually creates clarity.
Taking vacation or an extended break from work is important for many reasons, but it’s not often the activity that creates clarity.
Movement and experimenting is the way you move from declaring your priorities to creating clarity.
Use career experiments as a way to begin surfacing interests and relationships that will help you to find clarity.
Leaders should open the door to career experimentation to support employees in developing themselves inside the organization — or potentially moving onto other opportunities.
Resources Mentioned
Happen to Your Career: An Unconventional Approach to Career Change and Meaningful Work* by Scott Anthony Barlow
Finding the Career That Fits You (Scott’s FREE 8-Day Video Course)
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