When i was first, when i first started searching for this craft on was hanoberon two thousand three um. That was when i first realized that it exists. When i grew up in japan, but i never realized, even though, am i got around 19 99, its when i fell in love with earth plasters and started realizing there's something called natural building out there. I'll be back at the end just to say a few more words. And but other wise, enjoy the upset. We ended up talking for two and a half hours, and really could have talked more. You know. I got really, really fortunate.