Speaker 2
Who's the guy who's basically wears t-shirts that says, don't die. And he's got his all of his cells dialed back to the status of a 20 year old. Brian
Speaker 1
Johnson, Brian Johnson, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2
I mean, interesting guy. And he's super healthy. And he seems to be to have a level of calm and relative centeredness. And this is the other thing is that is that we have to be able to be in practice self possession, which I think spirituality can do too. But it's still looking at this
Speaker 1
guy. This guy has done nothing but training himself to be self-vegettifying, which is the opposite being spiritual. I met him when the conference said, I had respect. But he's a total tech nerd and he can teach a single man about spirituality. And it's just a vitamins and the proteins and whatever and self-nutrition and it's biohacking and all that. That's just another form of that. It's just that we know men are being self-abjective. That's called like tropical, that spiritual materialism, which is rampant. Right? Yes, exactly. It's so superficial. It's incredibly superficial. It won't want you
Speaker 2
anything. It's and it's a loop. When you ask him about anything in a deep way, it's very circular. It's like no, I mean, like you're an interesting and smart guy, but you came from Mormonism. You abandoned your Mormonism because you were probably a little bit autistic and very talented. Excuse my, you know, neuro atypical, whatever it is called. And now we call it techno-moramodism because it's probably way he's developing. Yeah, yeah, but it's like, but like, it's, it's, it's, again, it's, it's like, there's nothing there. It's like when you strip away the bits and bytes, you have a longer life for what? Exactly.
Speaker 1
It's like you asked him to say, oh, you get the longevity. What are you going to do with it? And they don't have the answers? Yes. Yes. We're
Speaker 2
going to solve all the world problem with science. We're going to do this. Listen, your time is to win longer and think longer. Your problem is that
Speaker 1
you're, you don't promise you don't even have a family. You don't even raise kids.
Speaker 2
You know, you don't need to stop. We've got a demographic crisis coming because he took his kid's blood and infused it himself and his dad and he reversed his dad's aging with his kids blood plasma. You know, it's like, it's, it's interesting stuff, but it, it's like, I asked the question in the course. I don't, I don't know if you guys remember this, but it's like, for what are you willing to die? And for what are you willing to live? And if you can't answer that question without a circuitous, um, you know, sort of self-fulfilling prophecy of whatever it is you're doing technologically, then, then, then you haven't answered the question. The answer is spiritual. The answer. The answer is spiritual. It is philosophical.
Speaker 1
Totally agree. Of course it is. I mean, I knew I would get you guys who gave me a foot for a thought for the speech next week. I'm certainly going to be very serious about this. And you're up, sit your right back. The real question today is how do we avoid building a surveillance police date? And can we even escape it? You know, how do we fight centralization? Because all the efforts right now is to use AI towards centralization and the excuses are out there. Whenever I hear the world child pornography, I know I'm dealing with the politician who wants nothing else but a police state. And they use the lamest worst possible excuses they could possibly come up with. Oh, it's
