"I definitely came from a place of like building things that didn't work and kind of yeah, everything going wrong every time like happily failing," she said. "It was a really powerful tool for me to not get my perfectionism in the way because if I set out to do something that's great, then I'm never going to start." She says people like it when you're self deprecating and don't take yourself seriously. 'When you're as successful as you are, I am more skilled than I was before'

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