In the in the history of western philosophy, mind and consciousness have historically been used interchangeably. The problem is as if you use the word mind, if you refy it into something thatt exists,. And then we think of it as floating around up there between the nerons or whatever, which you say is not the case. A mind as the product of the brain, is more of a positivistic take on the wordon the word, more of a nearly twentieth century thing.
In this expansive conversation, Michael Shermer speaks with Bernardo Kastrup, the executive director of Essentia Foundation. His work has been leading the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism, the notion that reality is essentially mental. He has a Ph.D. in philosophy (ontology, philosophy of mind) and another Ph.D. in computer engineering (reconfigurable computing, artificial intelligence). Shermer and Kastrup discuss: materialism, idealism, dualism, monism, panpsychism, free will, determinism, consciousness, the problem of other minds, artificial intelligence, out of body and near-death experiences, model dependent realism, and the ultimate nature of reality.