I think partly it's affected by my age because I was brought up in a town, Swanley, not all that far from here as he said. The racism was brutal. It was not, it was just foul. When I was a milkman, I have this really clemium. This is just, this is not, it doesn't even stand out that much, but I'll just say it as an example. There were two black lads sent down by express dairies to hose down the yard. They sent down a couple of fucking monkeys. Like that, I remember that really clearly, but almost, but most clearly because it wasn't that out of the ordinary

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