i'm very big advocate of this idea of never retiring. Cortland, i call you manic all the time. I think half the people that are onto bernors are really manic. You guys have made me the proudest mam on the planet.
Long-time listener, first-time guest — Courtland (@csallen) and Channing's (@ChanningAllen) mom, Eva, joins the pod to talk raising twins, buying gifts, selling computer parts, co-founder theft, an Indie Hackers quiz for moms, and why you should never retire.