i wanted to talk to rulla about what happens when opinion writers disagree on big issues, and what leading the coverage of the war has been like for her. In this particular discussion, the question was, is there a point at which nato should intervene in ukraine? And so this was not the first time that we discuss whether there isa red line after which we would support a military intervention,. So, rilla, what's your thinking of all this? Could be tha and no fli is ond i think we should call thit something else, because no flies itself as the red flag othe western ucrane on the argument that the refugees displace people because

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