i remember that it was the first, like, diy interview show made in his basement. It had a very weird vibe, very agro macho male, like a very agro male vibe. I mean, i i remember it's like, there's one on sunset yey si um. And then he interviewed me. But he was definitely, there was a whole thing going on. There was like, all he has, i this whole entrage of young men that were like very, you know, he has a real he.