Ramin: I think in these businesses, there's really a, there is a inverse network effect problem. Instead of just having 50,000, you could also have clusters within that. And maybe the way you described was like a verticalized version for DTC founders only, etc., SaaS founders. Ramin: Sam Paz doing it for Hampton, I think he's trying to take a few of those clusters. The price point is probably similar as well, 5 to 10k.

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