And Spencers is a very sort of stayed, a very English

clothing store primarily. Most people in Britain get their underwear from Marks and Spencers. I think it's important people understand that. I gave that a while ago. That's a good or a bad thing, we don't know. But yeah, so I have no idea. And then when I was in what we call in the UK, the sixth form is the Junions in senior years here in America. A group of us wanted to put some plays on. We'd read plays in the English class, but we wanted to perform them. It seemed a bit of a radical idea, but we thought, why not? Because they seem very interesting. And an English teacher helped us with the place. He directed the first couple. And then we want to put another play on, a year or so later. I thought I was going to be cast in the play. I'd been in the stage manager and I'd had a small part in the previous one. And we cast all the parts, or he cast all the parts. He said he couldn't direct it that year, but he could cast them. So we came along to the casting session. All the big parts went, all the small parts went, and I was still sitting there. And I thought, well, that's probably me doing the stage managing again. And he said, I've been given some thought to who to direct the play. He said, I can't do it this year. But I have a proposal, I think, can should do it. And I nearly passed out, truthfully. And I looked around the room expecting people to crack up and say, you must be joking. And they all said, no, that would be great. Would you do it? And it never crossed my mind to direct a play. I didn't think I could do it. I didn't think I had the ability to do it. I didn't know how to begin doing it. But I thought, eventually I went and thought about it and thought, well, why not? I should try it. It's been a bit of a maxim in my life, truthfully, not to walk away from things that worry me. I tend to, I think it's always better to walk towards it if you possibly can. And that just got me involved in the arts more generally. And it was through the arts I got interested eventually in some of the ideas connected to creativity.