Outcome-Driven Metrics Over Fuel Usage

In this episode of Mostly Growth, Kyle Poyar, CJ Gustafson, and Ben Hillman unpack what actually matters as AI reshapes how companies grow. They debate why legacy metrics like LTV to CAC are breaking down, explore emerging measures such as gross profit per token and outcome-based performance, and discuss how AI changes sales compensation, org design, and go-to-market economics. Along the way, they dig into Domino’s surprising stock performance, private equity’s quiet bet on pickleball, and real-world pricing oddities, tying everyday examples back to durable growth fundamentals.

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LINKS: 

Mostly Metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

CJ on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/

Growth Unhinged: https://www.growthunhinged.com/

Kyle on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-poyar/

Slacker Stuff: https://www.slackerstuff.com/

Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/slackerstuff/

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Preview and Intro

00:01:10 Sponsors — RightRev | Tropic | HockeyStack

00:05:14 Back From the Break and New Year Catch-Up

00:06:06 How Different Generations Are Adopting and Using AI

00:09:24 Potentially Reliable Things We Read at 2am

00:10:08 Domino’s Turnaround and the Tech-Forward Franchise Playbook

00:11:36 Pickleball as a Private Equity Roll-Up Opportunity

00:14:30 The Next Generation of AI Metrics: Tokens, Gross Profit, and Outcomes

00:19:26 Rethinking Sales Compensation and Productivity in AI

00:24:11 Why LTV to CAC Breaks Down in the AI Era

00:25:21 Measuring AI Quality and Domain-Specific Outcomes

00:29:20 Forward Deployed Engineers and the New AI Org Model

00:33:13 Pre-Sales Prototyping, CAC, and “Building Before Buying”

00:35:32 Pricing in the Real World: Pet Fees, Tipping, and Toll Roads

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