Ajaya: I find it really complicated and I'm very conflicted about it. On an epistemic kind of fundamental philosophical level, I'm not a moral realist. I don't think there's anything that God wrote down in the atoms about what morality is. But you know, I definitely have conflict over it. The part of me that the utilitarian voice is not just utilitarian about kind of the like external world when it's in the driver's seat. It's also kind of like upset that I'm not the kind of person that has that part of me in the driving seat more. And so I think the amount to be hard on oneself is not zero. A lot of people

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