Data, sameness, and advertising indifference

Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is joined by legendary cartoonist and marketer Tom Fishburne, best known for his "Marketoonist" series that has humorously and astutely captured the nuances of agency life for over two decades. If you've ever laughed (or cringed) at a cartoon that perfectly depicts a creative brief gone wrong or the infamous "shiny object syndrome" in marketing, there's a good chance it was one of Tom's.

In this fast-paced conversation, Drew McLellan and Tom Fishburne explore the enduring themes and challenges of agency culture, creativity, and client relationships, using Tom's cartoons as a lens for the ever-evolving world of marketing. Tom shares how his unique background on both the agency and client sides has shaped his perspective and provided endless inspiration. He opens up about his creative process, how stepping back for "analog thinking" allows him to push past predictable ideas, and why intentional humor can break down barriers and foster connection inside agencies and with clients.

Listeners will also hear fresh insights on the changing role of data and AI in the industry, and how agencies can stand out by marrying "analog intelligence" with digital tools—without losing the essential human touch. Drew McLellan and Tom Fishburne discuss why so much work is met with indifference, the importance of a well-crafted creative brief, and the power of dedicating time to unstructured thinking, even in today's deadline-driven environments.

Whether you're a fan of Tom's cartoons or new to his work, this episode will inspire you to reframe how you approach creativity and culture in your agency. You'll walk away with practical homework on integrating humor, empathy, and analog thinking into your agency's DNA—fueling better work, stronger teams, and more memorable client relationships. Don't miss this blend of wit, wisdom, and actionable advice for building a truly distinctive agency.

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What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • Bringing humor and humanity into agency work
  • The evolving relationship between agencies and clients
  • Why creative briefs often go wrong—and how to fix them
  • Using analog thinking to spark creativity and originality
  • Avoiding indifference by moving beyond data-driven sameness
  • Balancing AI tools with the irreplaceable value of human insight
  • Creating space for deep, focused thinking in a fast-paced industry