I did not see this coming like he appeared to me to be a very bright credible competent person perhaps a bit young perhaps, you know a bit reckless at times, but not unethical and not Not committing fraud. I definitely did not see that You know if I look back to see were there any warning signs that I should have thought twice about it. When did you first suspect? Yeah? What's your read on the psychology? That this wasn't legit? Do you think that it was his altruistic intent that allowed himself to convince himself to do this or giving this was like Malicious the whole way?"